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Saturday, September 21, 2013
Wow, I was living there. Actually, it really couldn't be true. If something that important happened, we would surely have been told about it. ;) The government/military is really bad at keeping secrets, so it would have leaked if it were true ;) ;)Seriously, though, it is quite alarming to think about.
By Bob Koford, at Saturday, September 21, 2013
"What's past is prologue" - Wm. ShakespeareIt's an accident that never happened over 50 years ago. What's the point of stirring the pot now other than to create more fear and anti-government paranoia in the world than already exists?The jury is still out on whether Assange, Snowden, Wikileaks, The Guardian, et al, are heroic or simply narcissistic opportunists.
By purrlgurrl, at Saturday, September 21, 2013
Bob wrote (tongue in cheek):“The government/military is really bad at keeping secrets, so it would have leaked if it were true...”And PG wrote:“The jury is still out on whether Assange, Snowden, Wikileaks, The Guardian, et al, are heroic or simply narcissistic opportunists.”All these incidents mentioned provide object lessons about how the US Gov’t handles classified information regarding conventional, but sensitive matters. To this list we could add others, such as the secret recovery and flight testing of Soviet fighter aircraft at Area 51, the secret recovery and reverse engineering of a sunken Soviet submarine and its nuclear warheads (Project Jennifer). There is absolutely no reason to think that, if the US Gov’t has highly sensitive classified information regarding UFOs, it would be handled any differently. The actual situation is somewhat complex, and does not lend itself to simple declarative statements such as “the government can’t keep secrets”. If, by “secret” you mean the informational content of a fact, then yes, it is difficult to keep all of that informational content out of the public discourse. It turns out that my mother was one of the inaugural class of Women Marines accepted into the USMC in WWII. Those times being what they were, women were not allowed in combat positions, so she served part of her tour of duty as a secretary at the big US Navy Base in San Diego, CA (circa 1942). When I was about 5 years old (1952) I was talking to her about what she did during the War and she related a story about when she was stationed at San Diego and heard an office rumor to the effect that the Navy had actually had prior warning about the surprise attack on Pearl Harbor. This rumor circulated after the war, and was investigated publicly to some level, but not resolved until many years later, when it was admitted that the US Navy had intercepted signals which, if they had been decoded and translated in time may have given the US advance warning. But they weren’t decoded/translated in time, so the decision makers at the time did not have “actionable intelligence” as we would say today. Of course, the fact that the US Navy was intercepting and decoding Japanese Navy communications was one of the most highly sensitive and classified pieces of information of the entire War, shared with only a handful of officials. It was not admitted until decades later.Point is, the informational content (correct, as it turns out) that the US had prior information regarding the surprise attack at Pearl Harbor was already leaking in 1942, if you knew where to listen. The official confirmation of that content, via declassification, took decades to manifest and occurred only when it was convenient for the government to admit it. That obsession extends down to even the lowest level of classified information. As a government employee I have received numerous official warnings that it would be considered a violation of the law for me to visit websites, download information, or otherwise come into contact with the classified information in the Wikileaks or Snowden material that has been publicly released.So the lesson is: yes, secrets leak—they often start leaking almost immediately. But at the same time, the very same informational content that forms the basis of the secrets can be kept classified indefinitely. The stopper in the bottle of secrets is not perfect, but what most people don’t realize is that it doesn’t have to be in order to still be useful to the government. It is (as we government employees like to say) good enough for government work.
By Larry, at Saturday, September 21, 2013
As far as nuclear weapons are concerned, there is an entire history of false positive radar returns that have nearly had the same consequences in relation to a detonation of these weapons. No one from officialdom advertises the inherent weaknesses or fallibility of these weapons systems.
By Bruce Duensing, at Sunday, September 22, 2013
Wow that is nuts I was close by there on a regular basis at one time.Let's you know the governments can handle all these situations and keep everything private.Lisen to this video about Dr. Kakuhttp://ufos.co/are-ufos-real-dr-michio-kaku-answers-your-question-if-ufos-are-real/
By David Joseph, at Wednesday, October 02, 2013
David:See my post above about The New Yorker article which cites many more such events.RR
By RRRGroup, at Wednesday, October 02, 2013
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